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 02-06-2004, 16:05 Post: 76169
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"ZAPOPAN, Mexico - The Mexican crowd hooted "The Star-Spangled Banner." It booed U.S. goals. It chanted "Osama! Osama! Osama!" as U.S. players left the field with a 2-0 victory.

And that was in a game against Canada on Thursday before just 1,500 people.'

Are these the same friendly, hard working, industrious, religous,honest,etc, etc people the media describes as "undocumented workers" (illegals)who are currently invading our country???

I bet they bury this one on page 45, if they even run it. My local paper runs a weekly ad....err, I mean article about the benefits of illegal immigration.


I have seen many televised incidents of athletes fighting and going after jeering fans, I always thought there was no acceptable reason for it. I was wrong, I would gladly shake the hand of anyone who did so under these circumstances.

When will people realize that there are very few people coming to this country to BECOME Americans. They don't respect, care for or wish to adopt the ideals political system, or values that this country stands (stood) for. The trend these days is to come, take what you can get, live in a community much like the one you left. Not much assimilation going on any more. This goes not just for Mexico but for MOST of the other countries that are shipping their flotsam and jetsam to America.






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 02-06-2004, 23:49 Post: 76207
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Yeah, plenty of people are fed up. Unfortunately most have been so beaten over the head by the media and political correctness they will never publicly voice such opinions. The end result is that the loud, obnoxious far left rules the day. When everyone hears the same message over and over, they start to shy even further away from their own ideals. It's not that the extremists ARE the MAJORITY it's just that they making it appear that way. It's gone so far it may be irreversible.It's like the frog in the pot of water. If the waters too to to he jumps out, but if you turn the heat up slow he just stays there and slowly boils. In the same way, peope are accepting things as "normal" that they would have cringed at a few years ago. The didn't even realize that thye lost their values, morals and abiltiy to reason. It happeed slowly, incrementally but it surely happened.

I have nad many letters published in the local papers and people call my house and email me in agreement.....but see if they will chip in with their own letter with THEIR name and town at the bottom. No way, the end result is the more vocal wackos write in at a 2 to 1 clip and appear to be the majority.

Special interests like the pro illegals crowd and other fringe groups are vocal, organized and determined and their winning.

School systems, the courts, the news media, the entertainment industry and even some religous organizations are all WAY out of sink with the average Americans values, yet they control much of what we see and do. They don't have to control a majority in D.C. or the Presidency, they control key instituitions and it's like a snowball rolling downhill. You just know it's going to get faster and bigger all the time.

Sometimes when I watch TV and people discuss politics or society I feel like that lady on the Twilight Zone (maybe the Outter Limits?) The one where the Dr. removes the womens facial bandages and everyone in the room recoils in horror because she is hideous. Then you see her and she is a striking blond but ALL the other people who thought SHE was ugly have pig faces. Smile Smile

Oh dang, now I'm depressed ;(






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 02-07-2004, 02:10 Post: 76211
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Thanks,

Yeah if I didn't laugh about the current state of affairs I'd cry. They say things go in cycles, I hope THEY are right!

Hey Chief, I thought I was the only fool staring at the computer until the wee hours...thanks for the company Smile

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 02-07-2004, 13:51 Post: 76261
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It is hard to remember that THEY are the crazy ones with the illusion that's been created. If you turn on the tube or read the newspapers you'd swear they are the voice of America.


It is not even just the failure to vote. Take a look at local issues. Everyone gripes about the issues but when they need to attend a meeting and voice that opinion they're a NO SHOW. They continue to complain when that particular law or ordinance is passed. I always ask them, "did you go to the public hearing" ? The answer is always the same...well, I, em ,well,err, I was busy.

Usually they were real busy...... watching American Idol Wink yeah right


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Yes, while my time was enjoyable my "skills" aren't as transferable into the private sector. Not much call to break down someone's door and lead a bunch of armed men throughout the house. I'll keep my fingers crossed though Smile Smile

So far though I have headed in other directions career wise.

I am sure accident investigation is always needed by insurance companies, lawyers etc. I know someone who wanted to get into the computerized crime and accident recreation business. I am pretty good wih the animation software but this person who talked of us partnering would have been the technical brains of the opertion. I would have helped dealing with the lawyers and the courtroom as this wasn't his strong suit. It could have have been good, the guy's other hobby was physics. Unfortunately like many computer/mahtematics gurus I've met, he was a little flakey so it never panned out. I was thinking at the time that somene who knows Flash/Shockwave or some other animation program with previous accident inv. experience could probably make a mint doing it on their own. These guys charge lawyers a ton, as you no doubt already know Smile






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 02-07-2004, 15:48 Post: 76279
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I really wasn't referring to you specifically but I will explain my previous statement.

It is common to listen to people complain about something like a local town school budget for example. It is annoying to listen to someone complain about the budget and when you ask them if they went to one of the public hearings on the budget the say no. It is infuriating after all the complaining and moaning, you ask them if they voted against the budget and they say no, they didn't vote.

If they didn't think it was important enough to participate, then can they please be consistent. It is now not important enough for them to waste my time with complaints after the fact. My standard answer is "then don't complain"

I only use the above example because it is very obviuos when it is on a local level and a few votes can change things. Now on a national scale, NY being a lost cause my presidential vote IS usually a waste of time. It only serves as moral support and there may be other elections/issues on the ballot. Smile

I really don't care who doesn't vote. My gripe is that people have an ability to exert some control over the outcome of their situation, but do nothing and then complain. The failure to take action tells me they are willing to accept whatever happens, so don't complain after the fact.

If I called the dealer and told him "I'm coming over with $15,000 give me whatever tractor you like", would you want to listen to me complain about the crappy tractor I got? Now, if I researched, reviewed then test drove the tractor and still got a lemon, wouldn't it be different. I think in the second scenario you would be more willling to listen to my complaints and even sympathize






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 02-07-2004, 20:00 Post: 76301
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Boy, you are a real character!

I think all we have to do is stop giving away the joint, have some real border protection, make illegal entry a crime (with punishment), punish those who hire illegals.

They make it sound like it is impossible to get rid of many of the illegals. How many illegals are pulled over or stopped on the street for minor offense. A part of the normal "check" should be for status in this country. All you have to do is add another field in all of our state motor vehicle records for citizenship or date your visa expires. No status = no ticket, you just go to the local INS office and yer gone!

If you committ a serious offense you go to jail and then get escorted to the border with a promise of draconian punishement if you EVER return.

With these work and student visas, if we can't get rid of them at least make these folks check in once in awhile so we know where and what they're doing. If they don't check in, bang...issue a warrant.

This is all a pipe dream however, our gutless politicians don't care about us because we vote independently, where the special intert vote as a block. W eget split 50-50 for both major parties while both of these parties give away the house hoping they will gain more of this flood of potential.....voters (damn it even hurts to say that)!






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 02-07-2004, 23:15 Post: 76310
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Heard someone bring up a funny point a few weeks ago. They were addressing the "point" that the pro illegal immigration crowd (hey, that's what they are really) keeps repeating regarding no Americans being willing to do these job. The person responded that during the years where this country actually had negative immigration numbers as compared to emmigration. Guess what, THOSE JOBS STILL GOT DONE. We had food, neat lawns, people cleared tables in restaurants, dishes got washed,etc. The media would have us believe we will be helpless if it weren't for illegal workers.

You're right some prices will rise but the overall cost will be MORE than offset by the reduced burden on our schols, hospitals, jails, social programs, etc, etc.

As far as defense of this country, the media can beat me over the head with "collateral damage" figures all they want it won't change my opinion one way or the other. It's either worth doing or it's not. While I don't want to see innocent foreigners killed or injurd it isn't my biggest concern these days.

The other thing that is troubling is the reporting of U.S casualties. It is terrible each and everytime we lose a soldier but they treat it like " hey, what did we do wrong, why did we lose someone" This was DURING the major fighting. It is like they have no idea of the reality of what a war consists of. Can anyone imagine if they reported caualties live in real time during WWI, WWII or Vietnam. They would need a ticker tape running underneath the screen. The way they report now it's like they are keeping score at a freakin game. If you listened to these reporters and had no previous knowledge you would think the Iraqis kicked our tails into the sea.

They give many stats on how many were killed or injured and where it happened, but very few stories of heroic deeds or bravery. They reporting is designed to bang the American public over the head with casualty numbers while neglecting the entire point of the heroic sacrifices made. Hmmmm, sounds familar???

On a lighter note my friend was very nervous that his son joined the Army when the Iraqi conflict was in full swing. Naturally he's very nervous that his son who just graduated high school is going to Iraq. They have no connections so he's was just hoping for the best. His son got, drumroll please...Hawai as his station!

My friend was naturally real happy, I haven't seen his son since he found out so I don't know if he was relieved or disapointed. I only met the son once, but when I spoke with him and was very impressed. Most of his friends are worrying about what Play Station 2 game to buy next and he joined knowing that in all probability he would go to Iraq. That certainly has to say something about ones character. People today are much more concerned with other things than going to fight . This ISN'T the generation that fought our other wars. Half of these kids would probably wet their beds after 2 days away from their video games, cell phones, MP3 players and Palm Pilots Smile Smile That's why I find it maybe even more impressive when I see our current forces, they are doing something that the vast majority of their peers can't or won't do. It's a far cry from WWII when guys forged their birth certificates TO GO.

Anyway when we spoke he was just completed training at the Proving Grounds as a diesel mechanic so I was teasing him that in a few years when my warranty is up I'll have an honest mechanic to boot!






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 02-08-2004, 01:40 Post: 76313
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Nice post.

Your right we don't need tariffs. We can maintain our lead by out working and out hustling these other countries just as we always have. What we need is the government to stop spoon feeding the public and get out of the way.

"The electoral college at least helps balance stuff. I really think that our founding fathers did get it pretty much right, so hopefully we last longer than the other similar governments in the past."

I live in the NY and I'd like to see a bonus given to the states with more land mass. Smile Smile The worst thing that has happened is a few heavily populated states are dictating who runs things. The East coast and West coast are screwing things up for the folks who live in between. The country become more polarized every minute. NY, PA, FL, CA, you win those states and the deal is done. You can throw in an IL, MI or another heavily populated state and it gets even worse. The other 40 something states covering 90% of the country are at the mercy of the looney states.....mine included. It's no coincidence that these "wacko states" are also the ones with more illegal invaders than most.


These are not immigrants coming to assimilate, they are on an extended business trip where they will drink from the free mini-bar that is our public assistance system. Then they will pack up their bags and leave! Their is almost no "melting pot", it's small enclaves and bilingual education. I am so sick of seeing Spanish signs, ATM machines, government documents, etc. I went to school with many Chinese and Korean children they spoke zero English and got straight A's within months. No crutches needed. If these politicians really cared they would scrap all this bilingual garbage for what it is, AN OBSTACLE for these immigrants to ever achieve. Instead they placate the masses by making it easy to get by day to day with only Spanish. It's a mind numbing existence where they have no hope of achieving if they DONT SPEAK THE LANGUAGE.

They way to become part of a culture or to learn something quickly is to be immersed in it. That's not happening.

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 02-08-2004, 13:42 Post: 76347
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Yes, I have seen the Montana prices and they are high compared to what they were. On the upside I would be selling a decent size( for here) property in a skyrocketing market so it should still be in my favor. Now having a neighbor from CA shuffling from wine tastings to Sierras club meetings in his Range Rover mght be too much to take Smile I'll need plenty of land for a buffer!

Being born in America should NOT make you automatically a citizen. If your parents crossed the border right after Mom stared having labor pains just so the Border Patrol could take you to the hospital, that IS NOT what citizenship by birth was meant to be. We have hospitals marketing to wealthy families in Mexico, Korea, the Phillipines, etc to come in and stay in a hospital suite. The baby gets citizenship then returns home with future opportunity to return legally as an adult.

The all volunteer military is a complex issue. The quality of soldiers seems to be high but I guess the numbers are a problem. On the other hand have you looked at typical teenager (not all but MOST) these days. 12-18 hours of TV/video games, total lack of exercise, pampering at home, spoon feeding at school, they consider having to carry a bulky lasy year's model cell phone to be neglect...it's not pretty. You can draft those folks but you can't erase 18 years of living a life that prepares them for nothing.

I play ball at a local club. There simply aren't too many young people partcipating in sports. You have the same kids at the basketball, soccer, football, gymnastics, etc. The other 70-75% is home playing Playstation. I have a 13 year old son and I look at his peers, I have never heard such whining, excuse making, complaining in my life. I remember when me and my friends were that age and you insisted you could do anything. If a father said "son you can't lift that, I'll do it", you knew the kid was going to do it even if it KILLED them. Now all I hear is "oh, how much does that weigh, I can't move that, it's heavy". I also remember playing sports with the fathers at that time when the teeangers began to eclipse the fathers in athletic ability. I look at the average kids and unless you're sick or injured, you better be OLD if these guys are more athletic than you.

I don't mean to be totally negative. I will say that these kids are very bright in many ways, and that computers have given them access to vast areas of knowledge. They are also very mature in many ways, I just don't know if this is who you want to draft. At least with a volunteer force your getting the % that is more suited to what they might have to do. I don't know if a short ammount of training can undo a lifetime, times are very different than when we last draftd soldiers.

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Man that is quite history you have there. Thank you for your service.

Sounds like you need a good co-author or screenwriter. We need a good conservative actor to play you...that could be tough, the three of them might be busy Smile

I can't add much to what you said, but I agree. It is so funny to listen to the "leftie" whiners. Nice, house, 2 SUV's in the yard, kids with everything and America sucks??
What?

If we keep giving it away, over regulating everything, allowing anyone in, poisoning kids minds in school, they maybe right someday soon.






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 02-08-2004, 23:09 Post: 76397
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"Maybe, just maybe, if we could get the American Public to stop voting based on Party and stop saying Well everyone else is going to vote either Republican or Democrate, So I will just vote for the one I like better and start voting based on the canidate and the issues at hand."

Diddo.

I'll go one further how about not having politicians who air the dirty laundry in public while we have soldiers fighting and dying on a daily purpose. How do you look in the mirror after you've spewed some BS, JUST to dirty up the other party. The fight is on, the time for debate is over. As hard as this may be to believe I was no big Clinton supporter Smile... but I wouldn't want to see Republicans ripping him at every turn if he was in office now. With these politicians it's all about politics, the public be damned. Who cares if their words enbolden our enemies and cause casualties.
Present a unified front, win the fight, kill the terrorists and then if we are ever finished, we can look back and play Monday morning quarterback. If the want to argue there's plenty to criticize. Let them talk about the econonmy. health care, immigration, etc, etc, etc.

I equate the mixed messages our leaders are sending to Americas enemies to having a fellow police officer question what we are doing while in the midst of an angry crowd. Nothing gets the other side going faster than the appearance of weakness or lack of desire to fight. These politicians know that their words are just as useful to this countries enemies as live ammunition. They don't care as long as the get media attention and a few votes.






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Mark,

Fortunantely for me, I worked in units with good people. Later as a supervisor I had even better people.


I may be naive but I just think that there are certain things that should be ABOVE political motivation. If these fellas actually believed half the stuff they say it would still be bad. However, I find it too be much worse when you know they would all change their opinions in a heartbeat if the shoe was on the other foot. The Democrats are the worst offenders when it comes to hammering the other party when the take military action. they don't utter a word when their boy is in office. That doesn't mean that there aren't many knuckleheaded Republicans as well.

Man this thread has taken off.. I think I'll save the latest smack at gun-owners in NY post for tomorrow. My fingers are tired from typing Smile






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"Yes, Richard, this is fun. Keep digging. I gotta go clean my guns before going to bed."

The newest gun law is in the Governor's proposed budget. He thinks he can squeeze another couple of million out of the public by raising registration fees. They will make it $100 fee to the state and another $5-10 to the county. All handguns will have to be re-registerd every five years. They have tried to lump in a manadatory review of all gun owners as part of this policy so it seems like they are doing something to protect the public. Not only won't it protect the public it will spend MORE than they take in in FEES! If you've gotten in trouble and your guns are going to be lifted you just WON'T show to re-register, DUH! There is a system in place already where L.E. get notified if a gun owner gets convicting of a
serious crime, has severe mental illness, expired gun licenses or dies. I remember going out to get these guns once in awhile. Most of the times the people had a bunch of guns in the attic or basement from their deceased, jailed or estranged relative ath they really din't know about or were interested in. We would tell them the license was expired and they needed to look into it. They would either bring the guns down to the station, arrange to sell them to gun shops or get a license(or renew) and keep them. Sometimes they even sold them to cops who were gun buffs. (at better prices than gun dealers were offering)

If the system doesn't work, fix it' Let's not add another layer of rules, fees and bureacracy. After all if the folks who've lost their license don't show (and they won't) the old system is going to have to get the guns anyway.

As a former LEO I don't have to pay any fees, BUT I will still have to go down and go through the BS next year and every five years after that.

As I covered in another post when I first retired that same computer system returned a record of someone with my name being in a MENTAL HOSPITAL for 8 years during my Junior H.S and H.S. days! Now I am not saying I wasn't crazy then... but come on Smile Smile Yeah right, I went right from the looney bin to the police academy??? You should have seen the fun I had straightening that out! When I finally got some answers it got even better, they said the person wth my name had anorexia. WHAT, nobody gets 8 years of instituitional treatment for that, and guys really almost never have anorexia. Bottom line it was a total computer screw up and they couldn't find the original paper back up that was SUPPOSED to exist.

You know what is going to happen next time I go re-register, yep that's right. Luckily I kept a letter some hospital director sent me stating he had no freakin' idea what the state was talking about and thta thye never heard of me.

Anyway if it goes through all of us handgun owners will have to go do our first registration by early next year, fun, fun, fun. I bring up my story for a reason; I am sure won't be the only one who gets put through a ringer unnecessarily.






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Chief, I have carried a gun everday for many years and still do. I still really don't consider myself to be the "gun enthusiast" the media alwasy refers to( whatever that means). I'm not a hobby shooter or hunter, I feel more like a carpenter with a hammer Smile I never really think about it, I just consider it par for the course.

You should see the look you get from the VAST majority of NYers when the subject comes up and they find out you carry a gun. It usually goes something like this- WHY??? or "but you're retired WHY would your carry a gun", "DO you think that's safe?", "what are you going to do". Most people have no idea but those few times it comes up the reactions are priceless.

I went to the Dr. twice over the space of 2 years and the Physicians assistant BOTH times gave me twenty questions when I she needed to listen to my chest and I informed her I was a retired cop and had a firearm. The second time I just said "I told you this last time, did you forget" If it's SO shocking to see aholsterd gun, would't she remember me? Do people think bad guys go to the Doctors with pancake holsterd guns attached to their belt loops. I have been going for years, my kids have been there, they have all my info. and insurance, I'm a retired cop and now because I STILL have a licensed gun I'm Charles Manson???

Telling these people you have leprosy and giving them a nice wet kiss on the cheek would get nicer reactions Smile Smile

Of course I couldn't care less what they think. I don't wish bad things upon them, but a few car jackings or muggings might be poetic justice.






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I think you saw the Matrix one too many times buddy.

You could be a Navy Seal, Bruce Lee, heavyweight champ of the world, and half Ninja all cobined and if the other guy has a gun yer' cooked most times. Plenty of big strong guys dead from 14 year old crackheads with guns.

That is why honest people want to carry handguns, there's no such thing as a fair fight. Knives, guns, bats, etc, enter the fray REAL quick. When was the last time you so two people go at to without one group of friends jumping in?

I have seen an old man beaten with "the club" after a minor traffic dispute with a much younger and physicaly able man. He could have taken the old guy with one hand but nowadays why dirty your hands, just hit em' with something. I have also seen a loud mouth challengs a guy to a fight and when the quiet guy accepted the big mouth was so stunned he let 6-7 rounds go froma small automatic he had hidden in his waistband (amazingly he missed!). I had a friend stabbed through most of the organs in his midsection over bumping a guy in line at White Castle. No warning, no fight just BAM! There are many other examples but the point is there was no need for weapons but the bad guys went for them first thing.

These instances were all while I was off duty. Would a gun have helped in all cases, no but it would have saved the old man from a beating and the loud mouth might not be drawing any weapons. With the old guy I stopped the beating, chased him but when he started running red lights I backed off, the guy with the gun ran off before I got out of my front door and the stabbing happened before I as acop and I was bartending next door( he ran off, got caught,near beat to death and jailed)

My point is if you get in very many confrontations today, before long you'll be on the wrong side of a gun, some other weapon or beaten down by superior numbers. I avoid conflict but take comfort in the fact that 90% of the time I'm going to be the best armed.

People with guns avoid trouble more than those without a gun. You can't fight while carrying a gun. People see it and panic even if your not using it, the opponent now has an excuse to use a weapon(maybe even legally), legal ramifications regarding your license and if you are wrestling around you may lose it.

Some people shouldn't have guns but then again many people shouldn't have kids, responsible jobs or drivers licenses.
If you aren't a felon, insane and can do the last three items I listed responsibly, you should be able to carry a gun with a basic course on the law and safety.






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Well, we got alittle heated but we covered many tough subjects so it may have bben inevitable.

All in all we got alot of good info. and some great give and take.

Wildman, you'reright these days you better by 110% clear cut in the right. If you screw up you'll be up to your eyes in lawyers and you can't even kill them fellas with a silver bullet, they just multiply Smile Smile






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